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I have a situation: I signed 72hr nap with 83 and then round merge 2 occurred. Now I am not napped to 83 and he is bigger then I plus has me surrounded and has creeped into my systems so I cleared him and pressed my attack. Well BG (83) went crying about honor to my leader saying I broke the 72hr nap so my leader marked me rogue indefinitely. My question is: should I be marked rogue? Did I break a rule? What’s the problem?

I have to ask here as Rizz, my leader is not communicating with me and I’d like to continue play.

Is there any insight into this?

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The fam to fam NAP is gone when one of the fams gets assimilated. What’s left then is the deal you made with a player. That deal isn’t set in stone though, like the official relationship page NAP.

So what’s left is just interpretation. If there have been no clear agreements about what happens in case of assimilation, either player can exploit or spin that situation.

I guess everyone best communicate with their current NAPs and enquire.

In your case, damned if I know.

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Honor? When he was going to turn around and break all naps anyway?

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I’ve seen zero signs that honor is still a part of Imperial Conflict. At least not as we viewed it coming out of the Beta Rounds.

Nowadays families vulture off other families in wartime - a breach of etiquette that would have gotten the vultures publicly shamed and trounced by others upholding the Honor Code (Yes, such a thing actually existed.)

Larger players think nothing of attacking tiny empires and making planets inhospitable.

Top tier families use families multiples smaller as farmiing territories. So afraid of risking their fleet, they instead use agents and wizards to deportal systems of players, even ones less than half their size.

What you have experienced is not a situation that ever could exist in the Golden Age.Galaxy reshuffles lie,this did not happen. While those of us still around that played under the Honor Code likely would all have the same opinion on how you should have handled it, the reality is this game no longer is played under our structure of etiquette.

It is too bad your family does not value a strategic, active and aggressive player. May you land in a better family next round.

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I think there should be a reshuffle every round but I would accept every other round

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Have my own NAP break as well. Honor is dead in this game and nothing is official unless its official. With that being said, I would have liked to have assimilated NAPs between individuals to be integrated to the new family, not reset. I’m sure I’m not the only one dealing with this.

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Skyline of Sabai (#6288)

You attacked me and took my planets. I don’t l ow how long you been playing this game but you know that attacking and taking my planets isn’t a cancelation. You need to give me my planets and give me 72 hrs. Or don’t don’t expect to receive another IA NAP for the rest of this round for you or your family for the rest of the galaxy. A violation of a NAP is pretty serious on the game of IC. Considering it’s a very cruscial part of the game.

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Ping of Pong (#6263)

Those are not straight answers to my questions…
I guess i already did by attacking you then…

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Skyline of Sabai (#6288)

Whatever dude. Give me my planets back and cancel the NAP after I get my planets back. 72 hrs and me and you can duke it out.

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Skyline of Sabai (#6288)

So you’re breaking our NAP.

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Skyline of Sabai (#6288)

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Ping of Pong (#6263)
Yes we do, though atm i can not speak for the others in my new fam.
I am happy that savior is calm atm.
Do you wanna persue a NAP with with our fams?

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Skyline of Sabai (#6288)
Hey, we still have our NAP for 72 hrs between me and you.

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Ping of Pong (#6263)

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Ping of Pong (#6263)

Btw you wanna be cooperative with your leader?

You did not reply

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Skyline of Sabai (#6288)

I reply to your messages literally every time we’ve spoken. Second, regardless of our fams, you and I have our own personal NAP. Which still requires cancellation. The rules of the galaxy states that IA are allowed and are encouraged. Hence, when families assimilate, our Personal NAPs should still be in effect. You knew this and we even verified in our messages, we used/have a NAP. Stop BSing and give me my planets back. Cancel on me if you want to and give me 72 he’s just like I would have done for you.

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Ping of Pong (#6263)

I dont see anything in my forign relations anymore.
To that comes:
-you dont reply to messages
-you get actively supported by your leader
-savior is blowing up my planets
-you are starting to be a big thread in my systems

Non of my fam members have attacked any of you.

Things change…
Or you manage to get savior of my back now.

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Skyline of Sabai (#6288)

Regardless of savior me and you have an active nap.

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Skyline of Sabai (#6288)

Why you take my planet I thought we had a NAP?

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Ping of Pong (#6263)

I wrote this to my leader.

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Ping of Pong (#6263)

Heya, thnx for the aid.
I used/have a 72h nap with sabai, now in fam 6288. I would like to keep this upright.
Altough his leader now, savior, used to be a pain in the arse for me, which i hope has settled now, though he didnt want to sign anything at that time.
How do you feel about this situation?

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Ping of Pong (#6263)

Yes we do, though atm i can not speak for the others in my new fam.
I am happy that savior is calm atm.
Do you wanna persue a NAP with with our fams?

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Skyline of Sabai (#6288)

Hey, we still have our NAP for 72 hrs between me and you.

It is what it is, Karma always comes back.

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I feel like naps between players should still count but to theother people in the new fam I don’t think so

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It appears the rule is: There is no rule. So anything goes and one should expect anything to occur.

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You all shouldn’t blame the players for such a poorly thought out setup. This game has so much potential but at the same time it is unplayable. After close to 20 years every round is just another failed experiment and lessons are never learned.

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What does that mean? It sucks for over 20 years? You stayed around for all that time, yet all you ever do in the forums is complain! Great contributions man!

Assimilation is something new, and yes there are some challenges.
Although I believe a NAP between players is ‘sacred’, it’s also hard to uphold between families after they are assimilated. if Player A is in war with Player B; and Player X has a NAP with player B, and after assimilation player A and X are in the same fam, is that the end of the war?
That would not make any sense.

I say: screw NAP’s after assimilation :stuck_out_tongue:

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I’m gonna try to win by myself I want number 1 as a player sure it would be nice if my family won but I want the glory for myself

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He is incorrect. He doesn’t have a nap with your new family, even if he had a nap with your old one. You didn’t break any nap.

Granted, this scenario is something we didn’t foresee, given this is the first time we’re doing this type of round after all, so I can understand his frustration too.

Still, imo this is for you and Rizz to figure out internally. You didn’t break any rule, but he as a leader does have the right to rogue you. Whether or not he should is a matter of opinion. In my opinion he should not, but if he sees your fight with BG as too strong a liability then he may feel otherwise.

Fwiw, a new idea is up for Empire-based NAPs that could solve this problem in the future. @Chumeister I believe this sums up your request as well.

To be fair, people have been saying this as soon as the beta rounds ended. Vulturing, farming, breaking agreements, etc, none of this is by any means recent. I do think we see the past through rose-tinted glasses sometimes.

What we have here isn’t a reflection of “modern” IC, it’s part of working through a never-before-tried galaxy setup. We’ll adapt as necessary.

/me hands @otteN another pie

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Thanks @I_like_pie. I think SN is great but that NAP part really irked me. However, a pact is a pact and should not have been violated so I’m going to just planet rape him when I get the chance.
If one thing I’m known for in IC it’s not for breaking naps. Official or not. Because we’ve always had limits as to how many NAPs you can have and for the most part 90% of players will honor a NAP and pay the price if it’s violated.

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I don’t remember a limit on naps, sure maybe ones you can sign in-game but you could always have a nap sign it through messages like the old school way still

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Apparently I’m funny:

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smearing poop on ear :rofl:

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To be fair, people have been saying this as soon as the beta rounds ended. Vulturing, farming, breaking agreements, etc, none of this is by any means recent. I do think we see the past through rose-tinted glasses sometimes.

Respectfully, as one of the policing families from the Beta and early-digit rounds, I completely disagree. Yes, all those things existed, although the NW rule limited it much more so than nowadays. But there were also a group of families that policed and dealt with violators in the forums, and in-game when necessary.

p.s. My glasses are polarized and have black-tinted lenses.

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Wouldn’t it have been an illegal alliance for a group of families to lay down the law in-game? I’d been pushing for exactly that from before I was a mod, but was always told it was against the rules.

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Wouldn’t it have been an illegal alliance for a group of families to lay down the law in-game? I’d been pushing for exactly that from before I was a mod, but was always told it was against the rules.

Those very discussions were had back then as well. If I recall correctly, I think it was tolerated as: a) there was no formal alliance or direct communications between the policing families regarding such matters, b) it was widely supported by other families, both large and small, and c) it was viewed as an overall good thing for the game.

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I think ultimately it comes down to how you want to play and the risks you are willing to take. If you want to do everything the wrong way and be completely unreasonable then you could very well end up being on the bad end of a fam merge where you either have a family member that doesn’t work with you or multiple enemies you made who can now grow together and come after you.

I’ve tried to play reasonable with everyone so far I believe but I also understand the round is very fluid with the way it’s set up so prepare myself for unexpected changes.

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