I am not denying we chose to go aggressively, what I am defending is that you’re saying we’re relentlessly farming you without giving you the choice or option to end it somehow, we’ve done this multiple times. To which we are still very much open to!
p.s. public opinion =/= 1 person 
Only person mentioning that you are farming or anything is you… a few people called you out for bullying because you have done the same behaviour to them, and maybe they just meant farming and decided to use a different word, but words do have meaning… so I guess they are talking more about your attitude
I should also point out that you keep going on about offering naps to us… you realise you never did right? You said if we did retaking and don’t explore into your ridiculous core that you would stop your current attacks… there was no mention of ongoing nap of any kind… and when I even asked for where this no go area for us was I got no response…I asked around your fam as well… baby said talk to sporty, sporty said to speak to scary, scary said to speak to baby… and round we went…
Oh and if anyone cares… this is still ongoing
| Rank | Family | Networth | Planets | Population |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4 | #7741: Sugar & Spice [18,41] | 2,099,209 | 457 | 2,962,985 |
| 8 | #7738: Forever Young [1,60] | 354,460 | 104 | 725,032 |
Family Captures
54 planet(s) Family Captures #7741
Family Defeats
66 planet(s) Family Defeats #7741
Defeats blown up
25 planet(s) Defeats blown up #7741
I am just defending my family here I have seen screenshots of messages sent where we quite clearly state the terms that we are after and that those terms still stand. And also your sarcastic reply of wanting 200 planets; pretty sure that was an opening of nap talks too. So don’t pretend that hasn’t happened either.
Either way, I haven’t been involved in talks directly nor have I had any messages from anyone. But I have seen that they do exist and, publicly, still available to put an end to it all.
It’s still going, but we might have brought in some help… 
| Rank | Family | Networth | Planets | Population |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4 | #7741: Sugar & Spice [18,41] | 2,028,105 | 416 | 3,292,702 |
| 8 | #7738: Forever Young [1,60] | 348,404 | 105 | 722,428 |
Yeah, who’d have thought the 3v1 was a coincidence 
Well, nobody lol
Ahh it’s all just fun and games innit, be a new round in two weeks
I’m not aware of everything that happened on each side but I am aware that what one family in a top rank may see as fair game or a fair deal is not fair to the other in there eyes. Yes more power gives you the upper hand to demand it but should you?
My families current situation we refused to hand over 13.5% of our pcount freely to a family that hadn’t even declared on us and just started attacking. They are 2x our size so feel they can demand it and we should just hand it over. To them they say we’re being suicidal for refusing and they claim they will farm us for it. This is ok we will not be bullied into handing over so many planets. To them it’s not a large amount but to us it is.
Yes this is a war game and yes this will always happen, the only way to prevent it is players having a code of honor 
. For me I am glad to see players finally standing up against top families who bully weaker ones even if they claim they gave them an out.
Sure, I completely understand the sentiment and yes I agree small fams should stand up to big ones if they can - that’s what this is all about. I don’t have a problem with any of what’s going on, just this thread making out we’ve offered nothing. Just because people don’t particularly like what’s being offered doesn’t mean the offers weren’t there or indeed that we are wrong to offer what we did!
At the end of the day, this game is played with FAR too much malice and if people just sat and realised two things, it’ll be a much nicer environment to play in:
It’s just a game, folks. An escape from the actual shit going on in the world rather than having to come and deal with it here
ruining your round to ‘get back’ at someone who may have forced you into a predicament when there’s LOADS of time left in the round only results in negative experiences for all involved. A lot can happen in a few days in IC, I’ll take an L if I have to if it means having an opportunity to fight another day 
Have fun everyone the world is shite atm.
Your 2. Reason Is the issue at hand.
Learning to actually be fair and not claim you were would be a better route of action. Yes there would have been loads of time for them to compete for last place with the offer you gave them.
But then this is ultimately a question around competitiveness and game playing here (and admittedly an issue I’ve raised many times with @I_like_pie & others) is that our early growth; as with many fams, was intrinsically linked to how active we were as a fam.
Rightly or wrongly, that gave us an advantage in growth over our neighbours - I won’t say it’s anything to do with certain players being better than others in the first week or so because it really is just pure activity.
Which brings me down to a previous point: if we can be overzealous with our demands and then back it up with action, why shouldn’t we be able to do that?
Or are you wanting to advocate a scenario of honour and ethics within IC in which everyone agrees to having a set out core size at BOR or certain demands cant be made for whatever reason? Is that what counts as fair and/or honourable?
These are genuine questions because if that is the case and it contributes to a game where it is fairer and more just then I’ll happily subscribe to it but, there are wider implications to competitiveness and ‘conflict’.
13.5% is better than 50%.
The days of diplomatic understanding seem to be missing. What funeral said has been true to this game since forever, opening starts and Economy is based on knowledge and activity in the game. Timing and understanding resource management is the next step. I don’t see that happening.
But the top 5 should fight!?!?!
Yes however positioning is a thing, if they’re not close to each other, it’s not happening.
Next round in 2 weeks, GG remake is a real thing
Because if your aggressive is ruin another’s round they will stop playing and then you will have no one to play…
But you know, you do you… just don’t feel confused when everyone hates you for your play style
Respectfully, it’s not my responsibility to play in a way that everyone else enjoys.
I’m not the leader btw or even an attacker, I am simply sticking up for my family. But hey, we’re getting 4v1’d now so, I guess two wrongs make a right in everyone elses eyes? Must be a case that early aggression = bad gameplay style, ganging up together on one fam = good gameplay style?
But you continue talk about US ruining people’s rounds
Just FYI, the longest war of all time is still going
| Rank | Family | Planets | Networth | Population |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 | #7741: Sugar & Spice [18,41] | 466 | 5,761,761 | 3,868,802 |
| 8 | #7738: Forever Young [1,60] | 87 | 441,154 | 731,976 |
I realise this is only a small part of larger battle… but still nice to have an update…
Thank u for the update
smh
Didn’t feel like replying before and getting into a back and forth.
Facts are I took a few systems that I wanted. We were top three you were bottom 3. Am I entitled no, is it wise for a fam of low rank to maybe give up, what was it 4 in total possibly systems to ensure peace. That is you’re call you didn’t want the offer. Up to you. Diplomacy and how you deal with other fams is part of the game. I was sick of retaking and at that point if your causing me to retake after i offered my solution I feel like I can go to my next option to end things quicker which was raiding your family. This was not day two like you say it was, nor were the minor pushbacks of you’re core. First message i sent you saying i wasn’t going to attack further was tick 102 actually.
After raid offered naps several times. You held out because you thought your round was over, well it was day 6 maybe so roughly 1/4 of the way through you’re mind was made up. Now I have to keep attacking and killing your family because you won’t nap. I really didn’t want to do this think I messaged your whole family asking them to talk to you and nap. Didn’t nap you wanted to hold out for some revenge whatever it is. So it went well for a few days when you got to op us while we were being 2v1 then 3v1 I’d like to say 4v1 but your fam was so dead that i can’t count you.
You got to do some PFF on me retake some systems probably felt like a huge win. unfortunately after the week long massacre onto my family we still were alive and your little alliance took so damn long to do any damage to our family that other familes starting targeting your big brothers and now I can take your planets with no fleet at all if i wanted to because you wasted you’re round trying to get back at us when you didn’t just walk away. Really not my fault.