TBO - ElfToday at 12:56 AM
https://discourse.imperialconflict.com/t/mw75-suggestion-fix-construction-jumps/7704
Imperial Conflict
MW75 suggestion: fix construction jumps
Oooh! An actual fix! So far this is the best solution to the issue I have seen. @I_like_pie is that possible? If the market and the attacks can be real time, can sci be calculated in real time without re-inventing the wheel?
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@xenon - frosty
xenon - frostyToday at 1:03 AM
Ughhh
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This is just sad
TBO - ElfToday at 1:04 AM
We all had this feeling
xenon - frostyToday at 1:04 AM
I was wondering why we didnāt have a start strat
TBO - ElfToday at 1:04 AM
Yeahā¦
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Itās pretty pointless
xenon - frostyToday at 1:04 AM
But there is no strat anymore
TBO - ElfToday at 1:04 AM
Welcome to ic 2020
xenon - frostyToday at 1:04 AM
sigh
TBO - ElfToday at 1:04 AM
To be fair
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An active family would get so far ahead it would be pointless
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If nobody attacked because of infra
xenon - frostyToday at 1:08 AM
It was fine when at least two fams did it
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I mean we even had a good round in 2018 against orions fam lol
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And we both did tonsss of con builds
TBO - ElfToday at 1:53 AM
@everyone we are going Christmas theme! Please change your names accordingly.
LoneWolf is here.Today at 3:29 AM
xenon - frostyToday at 3:30 AM
Howdy zan
ZanharimToday at 3:35 AM
hi, I was one of the guys who wrecked your con jumps, although those can still be done, but not as effective as it used to be, it was not good for the game as it unleveled the playing field and made playing miserable and hopeless for half the galaxy, players left(edited)
xenon - frostyToday at 3:36 AM
Players left
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Look at what is here
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40 people who donāt want to play, con jumps didnāt do that friend
ZanharimToday at 3:37 AM
I came back, because there was finally a change for the better
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con jumps were part of the problem, not the whole problem
xenon - frostyToday at 3:37 AM
Con jumps were a way for people who liked the game to play strategically. It made every tick count, one step out of line ruined weeks of planning and days of action
ZanharimToday at 3:38 AM
it is infrawhoring only
xenon - frostyToday at 3:38 AM
āinfrawhoringā was always 50% of the game
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That was always what I enjoyed
ZanharimToday at 3:39 AM
a way to get better economy than rivals, just so one can fight them without worrying about having a fair fight
xenon - frostyToday at 3:39 AM
And was good at
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Not my fault people stopped wanting to attack and attackers got shitty
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Zan
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Why are we having this convo in fam chat
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Go to ic general
ZanharimToday at 3:40 AM
did you bring this subject up in there too?
xenon - frostyToday at 3:41 AM
Yup
ZanharimToday at 3:41 AM
oh, did not notice
xenon - frostyToday at 3:41 AM
Ya, itās great discourse for all ic
ZanharimToday at 3:41 AM
I hardly ever hang around in there, too much distraction
xenon - frostyToday at 3:42 AM
Not just our fam. Itās good for everyone to see both sides of the argument 
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Hey, I came back like 3 weeks ago
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Iām just getting back into the swing of things
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Heck I guess itās prolly been 6 weeks, time is weird
ZanharimToday at 3:43 AM
canāt get in IC chat from work computer, canāt use registered acco
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maybe better that way, should work
xenon - frostyToday at 3:44 AM
Lolol
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Iāll post this chat to general if u donāt mind
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Just to show the discussion
ZanharimToday at 3:44 AM
go ahead
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thanks
xenon - frostyToday at 3:45 AM
Great, I saw u joined, but u canāt chat there cuz of work comp?
ZanharimToday at 3:45 AM
yeah
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canāt see chat either
xenon - frostyToday at 3:45 AM
Lame haha
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Okay Iāll discuss it with u here then tho
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So a con jump takes so much planning, especially to be done at all efficiently
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You call it infrawhoring, but we (people who focused on econ) have done it from the start of ic (Iāve been doing it since 2007)
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2007 is not the start of ic, but thatās when I joined and got interested - specifically with econ strats
ZanharimToday at 3:51 AM
yes, old vets and active fams can do it, others do not know about it, can not do it, and you end up having unlevel playing field, those who benefit from it usually would have the skill to fight fair wars, but they end up just bashing smaller families and essentially farming everyone, that is teh ultimate demotivation and it led to otherwise active and good players going inactive from the start of the round, if they did not land on a fam that had a chance, thus making it even more one-sided round
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quite boring results IMO
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I hated being in both sides of the fence
xenon - frostyToday at 3:52 AM
Keep in mind we are currently talking about a round where there are just two families
ZanharimToday at 3:52 AM
they are not going to change a feature for one round, I guess
xenon - frostyToday at 3:53 AM
If there arenāt enough people who understand how the construction bonus works thenā¦ that is no bueno
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It is actually a feature that can be turned on and off pie said
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Which is nice
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It has just been turned off since February
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I just came back
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And was making last minute sor strat help
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And learned thisā¦ lol
ZanharimToday at 3:57 AM
however, if we are now talking about only this round and have 2 fams, which both should know about con jumps and could execute it, we would just theoretically end up having powerful economies before we start to fight, now, without con jumps we just would have less powerful economies and differences would be smaller and fams have to work more to get an edge over another fam, that means more interestning war to me, where skill has a bit more to do than mere numbers
xenon - frostyToday at 3:58 AM
econ skill is skill tho!!!
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a strong econ is an incredible skill!
ZanharimToday at 3:59 AM
yes and con jumps are still possible, but harder, use your skills and guide our family to win
xenon - frostyToday at 3:59 AM
and balancing attackers (especially attackers who ask a lot [looking at u @SW4GGAN3WYE4R ] ) is incredibly taxing for a good sor strat
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i havent crunched the numbers, but con bonuses are not nearly as worth it now