Why don’t you look into the history of IC and MW during ththe civil war while you’re at it down there in the useless archives
It’s not like whatever happened then is even closely comparable to galaxy conditions now, but thanks 
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But the egos!
These semi active players will be alot safer with hidden map than without…you should know first hand, we struggled as hell to kill you off just becouse of the hidden map. Your all about defence, checking for intruders, but it goes both ways, you can also explore your enemies…and when an enemy is close there is no map to post the plist so again safer.
sad that the majority is not open to even try this 1 round, this would for sure avoid the farmfest we see every round in MW. n00bs and nerds, im coming to MW, and i’ll rape everyone of you proving my point 
couse this free yama makes it damn easy
So…
I assume u have a full time job. Like the rest of us.
I was 19when i started playing and had all the time in the world. Checking systems yaama into map gen etc etc.
Had a blast.
The remaining players are older now with families including myself. And i play it to be in touch with friends and pass of time. Pie implemented some great short cuts like the map and made things more convenient. Which is awesome.
What your suggesting is going to lose some vets interest and hence cut the herd even more. Not that anyone cares if i play or not but players like @Sol_Invictus etc dont find it intriguing. And i agree it would be a useless waste of peoples free time.
Families jobs kids. Friends and now check system bysystem on a huge new mw map?
Maybe ur really rich and have allthe time in the world. Which is awsome from u @Airwing
How about we take out the cost option so w gotta bust out q calculator? And instead of toggle all planets lets individually select them? And take away the map option completely so we dont even see family systems? Rankings?? Eff that lets scrap rankings too and have everyone individually calculate nws and then post rankings. Silenz.org? Scrap that too. Wayyyyy too easy. Lets summarize infils on r own.
Before u reply im being sarcastic in the last paragraph. I know my comparison isnt a good argument.
Point im making is. The map option helps save time for alot of us who love the game but have limited time to participate.
Bottom line is You dont lose any players keeping the map as it is. But u risk losing some players by making then consume more time.
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And lets be honest…Airwing has been talking about owning people for a long time now and hasnt lived up to his word haha.
No the removal of the map options is no good and definitely does not help semi active players. Not to mention we just raised the system count significantly lol. If anything, the map features help reduce the farming that woukd happen.
If I am a big fan and I expo in with a smaller fam (who is likely semi active or not skilled enough to constantly check systems) then I have the opportunity to station and laser up before they realize what is happening. Once this is done they will never dislodge me and I would hammer them.
On the other side, with the map features as they are now, that fam can see me expo and clear before lasers or stationed fleet gets in. Obviously I can attack and try to hold but that it the only avenue I am left with instead of the suprise route.
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And you just prove you dont know what your talking about, but it seems like you think you do. no offence.
But to try make it clear for you. I am right there with you, dont got the same time as i did in my early days. But right now there is an ongoing galaxy Ultimate which proves and should be evidence enough that players like you and me, with limited time for IC, actually benefits from the hidden map, not the other way around as it seems most of you think.
Maybe try it and than come with your opinion? … and if you dont like it we can always vote to close the galaxy early and start a new round
Your in the same boat as @Odenheim. your talking out of your ass, Ultimate is proving you both wrong. Try it instead of beliving you know it all.
from what we see in Ultimate now i can almost guarantee you would achive more infra/spread/ eco and in general do better with the same time spent than you would with the map as it is normaly, why? since attackers like @Sol_Invictus and @Mint wont have a open road map to all your planets.
I think both sides of this have merit and it really just comes down to preference. There’s no need for any of this to get personal. 
I do agree that limited map puts a stronger focus on legwork (activity) which can actually be a good thing if it slows down top attackers, but may also be a bad thing if it ends up favoring activity over skill.
The vote is looking like we will not use limited map, at least this round. We’ll keep it open for now so people can continue to vote, but @Odenheim makes a good point above that by doing this we’ll upset more people than we will if we don’t, given that nobody really expected this to begin with.
In other words “which option alienates more people?” is an important question, and as much as I like the idea of an old school MW, I think the timing here is probably not appropriate given the clear majority who don’t want that.
Perhaps another MW round, or perhaps SN when it reopens.
read up
I did Fwiw, Ultimate isn’t necessarily proving anything that can be applied to the primary galaxies. The circumstances are different, especially given that people signed up already knowing that Ultimate would be limited map.
In other words, everybody in Ultimate opted into that experience. The same would not be true here.
I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad idea, but I think we shouldn’t jump to conclusions too quickly with Ultimate. It is working well yes, but I wouldn’t say it is evidence of anything yet other than a being well-made custom galaxy.
how can a limited map favor activity over skill more than what the free yama feature does? the free yama basicly lines it up for ya, No skill needed AT all. the whole feature kills the ability to gain any skill couse with any desperat try to get some spread for new attackers, they will be picked off one by one, as their new expos LIGHT UP on the map for everyone to see. But we all know who sees them first. thats SOL and FROSTY. thats why we see a farm fest every round. Couse for a normal player its basicly impossible to get any sort of spread and are forced to play around HS. And dont get me talking about shares, god forbid if we managed to get shares with eachother than maybe the forgotten art of fig running would come back, and we could again start talking about skill.
Touchy touchy…
No offense taken. If a player like impire or hydro or kagar or altriust or tnt or baha or genesis or many of the other vets like @Sol_Invictus have replied in that manner perhaps some offense would have been taken since its coming from players who have earned the communities respect.
However all u do is insult people like a child and pretty much " you dont know anything only i do " type replies. 
You seem very insecure mate. All we are doing is stating our opinions about the proposed changes.
Its not a defeat when the admin agrees. Nothing lost. Cheer up.
do you also state your opinion on the cake you never tasted or the girl you never got to sleep with ? where i come from thats called " a know it all"
I didnt mean to insult anyone, and if i did i am truly sorry. all i want is for for semi active players and know it all’s as your self @Odenheim to acutally be able to compete vs the once that are much much more active.
Funny you should mention those players in particulare, couse i played with every singel one of em
oh no worries, Pie has a habbit of beliving the DEV and player is the same point of View. When was the last time you played Pie and saw it from a players point of view?
Well it doesnt seem to matter in this particular situation Airwing when he last played. It would appear that the players (majority speaking) are not in agreement with you and therefore pie thinking the same way would seem to be the correct way.
Or at least that is what voting tends to hint at.
Glad to see that players are using their voice on subjects as it does promote consideration. You are simply in the minority on this side of things.
Perhaps but u did not play with altriust. You were never a harkonen. And altriust played in the betas when it was single players then harkonens leader and he came back once to play with his allies the pirate thug family.
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And Hydro has seen my wife. He visited a couple months ago and he can vouch she is smoking hot so i got no regrets about women
I can vouch for this. Im waiting on hellz to pass and 2 years of mourning before I make my move out of respect.
It’s a UI thing; more clicks = requires more activity = better score for being active and not necessarily skillful.
You are taking this far too personally if you’re telling me my opinion is invalid because I haven’t played recently. 
It’s also a silly double standard given that you don’t seem to mind when my opinion is in agreement with yours. Can’t have it both ways. 
You had your chance at a vote here, and most people didn’t agree with you. Not a big deal. Better luck next time.
Except no more votes after this round
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you ur right, and i’ll respect that if thats what the majority wants. but the majority also voted for 1x start res this round so its kinda hard to not question and rais a discussion when most of the opinions are so baseless
, to quote tbo:
TheBigOne Today at 12:15 AM
They are voting for a slow bullshit first week
This is why the people shouldn’t vote
Yeah you might be right regardig the Altrust guy than, i truly cant remeber that long back :D, a guy called alti sothing who played attacked with Genesis sometime back, had him on msn for ages. my bad there.
i have a feeling im pissing you guys off a bit now, that not my intention And its a bit early to call it a lost vote? MW has room for 100 players . we are not even at 30% yet.