Im not upset i want you to get your story straighr
Either you broke this nap so you agreed to it
Or there was no nap and stop saying naps were voided
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It was a verbal agreement, we knew what was in place… me saying I never signed it was just tongue in cheek. I haven’t signed an actual written nap in years.
Not sure why you are so hung up on that. I told you exactly why we broke the NAP.
And again, not sure why anyone cares about any of this, this round was just a waste of 6 weeks that we will never get back. We were all going to delete but the button is gone. Winning this round is the same as finishing last place. Who cares.
sure they come up with the idea of attacking / opping us all by themselves more then7 hours prior before you got opped right ?
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What the MOTHER FUCK are you talking about?
I haven’t done a GODDAMN THING in over 500 ticks to ANYONE.
I STILL haven’t!
One of you fuckers accuses me of another goddamn thing, and I will.
Unless you are talking about when in a (fit of 6 year old rage) your leader canceled his nap with me because he is “The Lion, who is not bothered by sheep”?
Well that was just bad play.
Don’t ask me…
I’d play with u Munder @Tezcatlipoca. We had it all wrong many rounds ago about u and frosty. U guys actually played with honor. R beef was just about rankings. Petty stuff.
I’m a little shocked at players like @Hala and @Easyway… and even @Rookie. Played with all 3 of them. And those 3 players I would have hidden any and all nap break plans due to the fact they are honorable and would have told on us had we planned it. Atleast thats the impression I got. Me and easy have played atleast 5 rounds together and hala and rookie those 2 rounds with LG about 6 rounds ago. Still shocked on those 3.
@Airwing @Lord_Pickle I wont say anything bad since the community will probably take over that job but I do agree with these 2 about the ua ruinig this round. And I know pie keeps saying it’s too much to manage to handle ia cheaters but man all the other rounds before this was not this blatantly horrible. This has got to be one of the most terrible rounds ever in ic history. It’s an easy cop out to say " ua is here to say cause we cant police it". @I_like_pie even the punishment of nap breakers being labelled nap breakers next to ur main account apparently isnt happening? Apparently u gotta write stuff unbiasedely in the ic wiki then it gets connected? Shit just keeps changing with the punches. If u dont realize what’s happening needs consequences in ur new format then I dunno man. It’s like ideas come up then ideas get implemented then when shit hits the fan Its like we brush it off.
Pie. Instead of trying to dissect my message here try to just read into the message of what I’m saying. Make some rules! Stick to them! Dont let ur players play such a depressing game when it doesnt have to be. I dont think u realize how fucking bad this round has been. Forget about sides. I’m not against pickle or aw. I quit 4 weeks ago and am still quitted. But dude every time I log in and see the.players venting. It’s like they are venting to a a debate judge who just wants to be right. I know that’s not what u r. But I will say ur definitely not.picking up on the frustration of everyone. In this case the nap breakers and nap broken ones see eye to eye. This UA bs sucke donkey balls man. It truly does. Except maybe darrk. Thats cause hes a slut.
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This is inaccurate. NAP-break history is still happening. The wiki thing is in addition to that, not a replacement for it. See below:
You assume too much.
Here’s the reality: as I recently told @HydroP, it is not impossible that we will eventually shut down IC if it doesn’t grow.
People go on and on about how “UA makes IC horrible”. The truth is, if IC can’t work without banning UA, then IC itself is horrible. We are finally confronting that instead of hiding behind a BS rule that you yourself admit people got around anyway when it was enforced:
This isn’t me just trying to dissect your messages. This is me calling out reality. The rule against UA never solved anything, and people ignored it anyway.
I understand the message of what you are saying. The reality is though, “sticking to rules” as you describe means that we need a team of moderators to comb through in-game messages and effectively have a court-like experience to judge what constitutes “illegal coordination” on a case-by-case basis, potentially dozens of times per round.
That will kill the game.
Literally. Not like “UA is killing the game” type criticism, but literally I could end up having to shut down imperialconflict.com and the servers because it will be not be sustainable for Foohon Pie LLC, the company I created to run it.
It is critical for IC’s survival that we take it’s long term growth more seriously.
I need to actually work on the game’s code and design, not waste my time managing a team of mods to enforce a rule that prevents us from confronting the game’s problems.
UA is a scapegoat. It didn’t ruin anybody’s round. UA didn’t force players to do anything. What UA did do, is show us all how badly Imperial Conflict is broken at its core.
Imperial Conflict’s problems have to be confronted if we ever expect to grow. milky-way-68 was necessary for this to happen.
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I agree that all three of those players are very honorable … Even Darrk said in some other thread that I was the most honorable person in the game until this round. Did we all of a sudden become dishonorable? Or is there another factor?
Personally I would have never thought Darrk would use hard ops to try and mess up a war like he did, but this UA thing seems to have made everyone go crazy.
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I disagree with the assertion that UA’s were rampant previously. I have only had one instance where someone tried to IA with me, and that was when AW tried to get me to accept market aid to kill one of his competitors … I turned him in and he got banned for it.
I am sure it still happens, but most of the community looked at it as a shameful act. I think the only hope is if the players form some kind of congress like @HydroP suggested where alliance rules are established and we dont see all of these shady back door deals and dirty plays like we did this round.
But ultimately I don’t see this as something for a developer to instill, it has to come from the community.
I will second that. Darrk for alll the shit hes typed. At sor he talked about u as ride or die type friend. U 2 need a tavern to hash this out. Ur better than thos pickle. And I havent even played with you. But I know you from Reputation.
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Agreed to this also. Shit was never this dark
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I wouldn’t say illegal UAs were rampant, but they happened far more than people realized.
Remember too, any bans that happened only happened because they met an extremely high burden of poof.
There were plenty of things that looked like illegal UAs, but we couldn’t prove. Those were also just the ones that we could see, and doesn’t consider the ones that happened in secrecy because players were smart enough to not do it via in-game messages.
Btw, I think it is important for others to consider your point here:
The latest situation in MW68 is breaking new ground. This is shitty and frustrating right now for many, but that “other factor” you mention is something that we can identify and design against. We can’t do that unless we actually experience it first.
IC has some large foundational issues, and we have to tear ourselves down a bit to build ourselves up properly.
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@Darrk take my name off your list 6492 has no allies and broke no naps. The new Imperial conflict rules are there are no rules, anybody can do anything they want including breaking naps and attacking ex allies. 
Honestly u should take a vote to see how many people had fun or are having fun this round including the top 3. I understand that pickle and aw looks like real dicks from the outside and for what they tried with the horde they are dicks in my books but that’s my book. It’s a biased book. It has to be a biased regardless of what character I have. However there frustration at being ganged up later and then worrying about how many fams coming after them then considering breaking a nap to counter it speaks volumes to there side of things. The point I’m trying to.make.is,. It seems winners losers a like had a shitty round. Thats the point. Just a dark depressing round. And ic shouldnt be that.
Look top of my head.
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If ua is allowed. Get rid of all other bs like 2 ingame.naps around. Like wtf was that about anyways? Ingame naps were implemented so u r protected from agreements. However that was capped. And I hear it wont be. Great. 10 rounds too late but sure. (Exaggerating).
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Block the effing market. Just do it! Effing do it now pie. This is one of the main reasons for Imbalance. Get rid of it period. It might be extreme but is it? Having ua is extreme therefore we neee to counter balance issues that can arise from it. Get rid of the bs market. Trust me this will help a fuck load with this ua issue.
The other issue is morale specislly if ur being banged by 4 fams… well if that’s the case then morale isnt the issue. It’s that 4 fans hate u therefore suck it up butter cup and take ur ass whooping. However this didnt come from nap breaks nor did it come from market aid.
Get rid of limit on ingame naps and get rid of the market. The 2 most obvious things. And this willl help.
The NAP cap is already planned for removal. Because you asked what it’s about though, it was to prevent problems in prior rounds where everybody napped each other. It was a highly-voted idea. 10 rounds too late for you, even if exaggerated, is something that other players felt differently about.
The market thing is not “obvious”, it is your preference. It’s an option, but so is the Public Market Ledger.
I am also aware that many didn’t enjoy this round. A poll would be useless though, even if 100% said they prefer the UA rule to come back, it isn’t happening.
We don’t need a poll to know that people found problems with UA. That was the entire point of enabling it, so we can find those problems and fix them properly.
I appreciate your feedback though. I agree with some of your points. I agree that IC shouldn’t be dark and depressing, which is why we’re identifying problems to fix. With UA allowed, we can finally do that. We should have done this years ago.
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Don’t play stupid, you condemn me for thing our alliance did, and i can do the same to you. You play with families that have consciously shared their war fund with unrelated fams to destroy our eor sar savings. If you hire a mercenary to do your killing, it’s your own act of violence too.
That’s why we void NAP. Not more tha 30 seconds after that shitload of ops I received, WS could resist messaging me ‘shows your iron doing?’. After that we decided we can either do the same thing, and reached out to a few fams, but then we decided to just void the nap and get it on.
If you were not in on the funding of the third parties to op our iron, I’m sorry Darrk.
But if you were, don’t play the saint here. We’re are bad. And to me, the conclusion is that the UA thing is gonna be the dead sentence to the game.
If we kept it how it was, the game would eventually go offline anyway.
At least now, we can learn from this and improve it. That was the entire point.
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