im calling bs!!! why would dark not swap out… he never said a word of the sort in any of the 3 chats we use …nor has he shown any sign that he would go with the fam only any choice made…
i would of never explored knowing we are still fighting… come one dude…
yall can bash and talk shit all you want … it is a free world… have it … it always comes back around full circle…
Let it go Scorp.
Go have dinner, bang one of your hotties. 
Let them say whatever they want.
I will be fine, my (ex) allies are napped and somewhat protected, and I am on my own.
You know me man.
I got no qualms about this position.
Maybe we will play together next round.
i’ll shed some light on this and show u all what i was working with to try salvage this deal, but when i was toyed around for hours i put down a deadline of 1h. and the horde couldnt deliver and the rest is history.
after getting complete resistance from the fam i was trying to help save, in the end it was too late sadly
Scorp!
Don’t respond!
Let him say whatever, he just wants you to keep typing!
People who want to know can come ask me in chat.
Let them have the forums man.
It’s what they want / need.
Dat drama.
Let it go!
i can only go off what my leader told me and us… i am loyal and dont questions hence why i play with the same people over and over… last round i took off cause i was more busy in RL and wanted to play with some other people for a change of pace … i was told we was napping and it was over…hence why i said ok lets move forward in planning econ rebound… wasted my time and im not about that … when im told something will happen i believe and trust in it… then i wake up and find i am raided again… really not cool dude… cause ive learned u never explore while in war thats noob mistake by far… so kinda feel like it was just a staling action to get more planets and all and that was never the true intent… is what it is and im free of any bullshit now:)
and airwing by now u should know me better than that … im not here to ruin people… nor am i going to sit here and talk shit and go back and fourth … it is what it is… hats off …hope you ALL WIN:)
@SCORP neither am i, we go way back scorpie and im sorry it ended like it did. i truly tried to make it happen.
I say just let it go lol this round whats done is done its time to look to the future of IC play style, it’s the Horde’s fault for not catching up the new times of how IC is to be played from now on.
Since IC has decided that expo phase raids are the way to play from now on we have decided to do our eco for the first 3-4 days then see who the top 3 fams are and raid them so we can see how good they are at raid defense since many of you think it’s so easy to defend against them I want to learn by seeing you guys do it.
So Plan on the next 4-5 rounds teaching us how to prevent early expo phase raids from the Horde.
If your fam is in the top 3 be prepared to show your anti-raid skills against us.
Oh and you will not know we are the Horde from now on until the tick we are going to hit you we will then change our fam name to The Horde Expo Raiders…
I assume when we raid your fams round after round that you too will then declare yourself a “loser” right?
Looking forward to the new skilled ways of attacking in expo phase.
From our side it looked like you was doing everything possible to stall, and we did a few IPs and saw them Building around core. You was Acting dumb like you didn’t know what swaps were, just to buy more time. Only so much patience you can take. Especially after the previous 48 hours and this forum post 
But… It doesn’t look like you had anything planned like that and it’s a damn shame the Diplo couldn’t be hashed out properly. Would have really Enjoyed a later round war.
lol,WS ur gone get raided again with that approach man. 
Oh and you will not know we are the Horde from now on until the tick we are going to hit you we will then change our fam name to The Horde Expo Raiders…
WS you need to eat some humble pie. Chill, take a seat back and think why people target you. Posts like this, contradicting yourself. Yesterday you was never going to hide and always play with your names, now your hiding. It’s comical.
Still bitching about raids and Earlier today we saw hydro raid pinaccle. Don’t throw stones in glass houses and all that.
dukey that was planet swaps… everything seemed to being going as planned… hellz was supposed to take off me… then…
When they are all on team them, who is left to internalize a cognitive rebuttal?
You?
Raids are not new in IC WS, and not that common these days. problem is if you provoke players early on they are always going to look for your weaknesses, and your going to get raided. You dont need to adapt to this ‘New style IC’ as you call it, you need to educate yourself on how to start a round without pissing everyone off. But atleast you have a solid 3 weeks to think about it.
@Darrk both sides are going to suffer bias. You yourself are not exempt from that problem. That’s why I’m asking for an attempt at an objective summary: facts that everybody can agree happened. Despite the rivalry, this is possible.
On the one hand, you have @Airwing and @SCORP both describing their opposing positions here in the forums. That’s a good thing. It even seems amicable given the circumstances.
On the other hand, you have yourself actively telling people not to say anything in the forums where information can be publicly scrutinized, and instead ask you privately as if your words won’t also have a slant.
People who want to hear your version can ask you in chat, but there are other versions. Players who want to hear all versions can ask in the forums. No single player: you, me, or anybody else is an authority on truth.
We are all biased. That’s why it’s important for our history to be hashed out from multiple sources out in the open, not discussed in private where indeed, confirmation bias will devalue the exchange.
I’m not playing this round so I have no dog in the fight. I just want to see this situation documented because it is part of our history. You can’t do that properly by only listening to a single player.
There’s no reason you can’t also tell your story publicly. Again, you don’t have to, but if the other side chooses to take that opportunity nobody can blame them. You have the same opportunity they do.
When we began discussing diplo with Pickle/AW/Munder alliance, their first offer was for my alliance to give up any planets owned in their alliance cores and then swap 1:1 for every planet in our core. That would have meant giving up over 100 planets in total essentially.
Further talks and an offer of 30 total from my fam and 20 from swagga fam (none from Damon) was sent to their alliance and promptly declined.
At this point we see no way forward on either side and it looks like we will fight it out.
Then, pickle makes an appearance and offers a NAP where we swap out of each others cores. I ask Darrk if that means no payments at all and he says yes. He even states this to pickle and pickle confirms. I agree to NAP.
We begin to do our rebuild expecting a NAP to be in place. Have Scorp explore 40, build them up and are getting ready to do another big growth push. We start passing cores between all fams involved.
As cores are being passed AW is asking us to explore for them. I ask Darrk wtf is going on? Now I am being told by pickle that it was everyone swapping 1:1 planets in each others cores. I immediately respond with “hell no, I wouldnt accept AWs offer for us paying like 100, why would I accept one where I pay 88?”
Pickle says CF is over end of tick. (20 mins left in tick) and we find ourselves being raided again prior to tick ending.
On a side note, I did not raid anyone…i was taking planets that were part of another NAP agreement in a system.
Ok there is my side of things.
1h
“Raids are not new in IC WS, and not that common these days. problem is if you provoke players early on they are always going to look for your weaknesses, and your going to get raided. You dont need to adapt to this ‘New style IC’ as you call it, you need to educate yourself on how to start a round without pissing everyone off. But atleast you have a solid 3 weeks to think about it.”
its cause of the skill level of the players that are left … no one wants to fight real wars…another reason yet still people have left the game… honor has been thrown out of the window cause of fear…ive heard new players and old complaining about people raiding early on…ruins people rounds lol… it doesnt give players a chance to even get going so they lose interest… im still playing 2 other galaxies so i wouldnt say i get a break lol… only reseaon i deleted was in protest … of what i was told and the nap deal … like i said before i wouldnt of explored had i known… tables will be turned on u orbit … im sure u will go into hiding as always;) funny how ur never around then come back do a couple easy raids and think ur some bad ass…just funny you havnt aged at all lol
ive been for progressing the game over the years not running into the ground like some players… “Cough” Orbit
