Lol violations have definitely been made but it wouldn’t feel right having about 7 players across 4 or 5 families ansd who knows possibly even myself blocked or banned for not being aware that the rules are so up in the air and easily twisted depending on the players excuse of the context.
I think the rules need to be more concrete and clear, I only used family 28 as an example for how easily the rules can be twisted for or against someone
We do get plenty of reports of people just trying to get people banned. Many times they are determined to be be without merit, and an attempt to twist the rules exactly like you’re describing.
This is why we conduct investigations, and don’t ban anybody simply for having been reported.
Rules being dependent on context is exactly what allows us to throw out the baseless accusations.
Remember, a report does not automatically mean a ban.
Keeping the game fair depends on people reporting violations. We can’t force you to do so, but if you are waiving your chance to see the rules enforced, you are accepting that valid violations will not be punished because you think invalid violations might be.
There family name doesn’t state that they are not the mods in play so it would be deceiving unless they inform all.
They may not be deceiving the mods but I’m sure there are players that didn’t see an open discussion about it so it could be deceiving to some. Your expectations is for us to to message every player and ask them if they are the real player since a “theme” could be anything.
For example family # 0000 family theme: players of ic
Family name: dinasours
Players names: pie, Sol, cells, thebigone
Real player names: pickle, remo, frosty, murder
To not be deceiving and breaking the rules just inform the few players that do ingame mail you that you are not whomever and that’s it.
Seems pretty deceiving still to me @I_like_pie
@Malin they are not required to state in their family name that “We are not actually the mods”. Their family name is actually how you know that it’s a theme at all.
Your example below isn’t the same scenario:
The difference there is that the family name “dinasours” doesn’t imply anything about the theme.
In the case with the “mods”, their family name is exactly “The Mods” in a galaxy alongside a family named “Married with children” where their empire names are TV characters.
Here’s a better example of what would be more problematic:
Family name: i hope we win MW this time
Players names: pie, Sol, cells, thebigone
In this example, there’s no indication that a theme is even present.
I have no such expectation. What I am saying is that in order for them to impersonate, a player in this family would have to actively claim that they are actually a moderator. They have not done so.
I don’t believe the onus is on the themed family to be this clear about their theme. If individual players within the family are not actively telling others that they are actually moderators, I don’t believe they are being deceitful.
Confusing? Possibly, if you’re not familiar with the game. Deceiving though, no.
Fwiw, we are considering de-anonymizing all players everywhere. Themes could still be possible, but a player’s master empire name would always be accessible. This would solve this problem (and other problems), but there are some concerns about removing the ability to play undercover.
We haven’t yet discussed it publicly because we don’t yet agree within Staff whether or not the pros outweigh the cons.
Despite our disagreement, @Malin has surfaced some understandable concerns here. As others seem to share his point of view, we will likely open up the conversation about de-anonymization soon.
To that end, thank you @Malin for clearly expressing your concerns here.
We’re gping offtopic here. The topic is about impersonation.
I feel the rule is pretty clear cut. You use someone else’s nick, it’s basically a rule violation unless you meet certain criteria.
Reasons could be: being part of a (very) clear family theme; or: you have permission of the actual person, and are not actively claiming you are that person.
If you feel someone is breaking this rule, drop a note to @moderators. We can look into it and change someones nickname or take other measures.
This is a rule as old as the game itself, and it has never given very much trouble. I don’t see reason to start now.
@HellRaizeR - you make a valid point, and it’s something that has come up internally more than once too, but this is not the place to discuss that.